RR, Watch the Forensic Files episode on YouTube. Had there been a switch? False. The first rule of a murder is motive. Go somewhere else where your asserted expertise will be professionally tested and you wont be so frustrated and insulting about those who disagree (with your expertise and opinion). She made an effort to look perfectly groomed even when she took out the trash, according to her mother, who appeared on Forensic Files. I would think if she would have an passed they definitely wouldve started looking somewhere else but there was just too much evidence against her anyway so.. and with forensics the way they are today. ``I can't believe I was alone with her,' a tearful Bruner said Tuesday evening. Im a hunter and in the spring I have found many dead deer that died from starvation or other reasons and the bodies are untouched. And the obvious answer is Ill tell you why (which really is common knowledge). Let her rot like she left Joan and that INNOCENT baby Alex. She returned to North Carolina in 1991. However, my curiosity is piqued as to why Andrews mother didnt report the missing daughter in law, Joanne and her own grandson Alex! The obvious, if moot, response to this is to observe that her conviction wasnt based on inaccurate documentaries but on trial. ): They boast glorious ocean views, but swathes of homes along America's coastlines are at risk of tumbling off CLIFFS due to erosion, rising sea levels and extreme weather events, Are YOU guilty of these gym sins? Sorry ladiesher hair was in the car and at the scene.she murdered them. Plus a FB group that I was in included some people who grew up with her and they confirmed that she was indeed a horrible mean person who was easily enraged and always looking for a fight. Another witness, Walter Traupman, who never testified, had told state troopers that on the day of Joanns disappearance, he saw a couple who looked like Joann and Andrew arguing about the paternity of a baby. They moved into her house in Salisbury County, staying together for about two years. Mary was born in August 1891, in Connecticut. The bodies were nearby, said state police Capt. When she stood trial that same year, she maintained her innocence and alleged that she and Andrew Katrinak had continued to stay in touch as good friends, so she wouldn't do anything to hurt him. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Anyway, there are thousands of people who differ from that belief, that is why there is so much controversy surrounding this case, and that is why there have been numerous convicted people in the past whove been exonerated on appeal. If there was more talk about finding this .22 mm gun then that would solve all of this speculation. It makes me sick. Perhaps youre not aware, there was a great deal of evidence of which these documentaries made no mention, as well as misdeeds and incidents of corruption perpetrated by the cops. How so? She was bubbly and likable, not disgruntled, according to friend Kathy Barber, who visited her friend in jail. Cop defends accused. Unfortunately, most people cant distinguish reality from crackpot nonsense, and theyre only more unlikely to do so, given todays social media. YouTubes privacy policy is available here and YouTubes terms of service is available here. Andrew also stated that when Pat called and Joann answered she had instructed her not to call again because they were married and they were happy. 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If Patricia drove it back from the murder scene after she shot Joann and then beat her to death, luminal would have lit up the interior. Puny policy. Theres a similar air of confusion connected to the Scott Peterson debacle. Hoist by your own petard. Andrew Tates legal team has claimed he has a tumour as the detained influencer faces another month in a Romanian prison. Flaw in reasoning. His father confirmed his alibi that they were doing construction work together, putting an addition on the house of friends Tom and Kathy Holschwander, at the time of Joanns disappearance. Acquaintances said Rorrer started dating Brian Ward, 34, in 1995. No show. Patricia made daily phone calls every day but made no calls at all the day before, of and after Joannes murder as she was traveling and knew her phone could track her location. And dance instructor William Jarrett couldnt remember whether she attended his dance class at the club the night of Joanns disappearance. She wanted all men to give her attention but she couldnt have everyones attention, especially ANDREWS!!! Katrinak, Andrew J.Andrew Joseph Katrinak, 88, of Bethlehem, died on Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at Blough Healthcare Center in Bethlehem. They retested hair from the car in 2008 with updated new technology. Her mother was married to my uncle. The fact that there is LITERALLY NO EVIDENCE that Patricia was actually obsessed with Andy; they spoke as friends maybe twice a year. It could be coincidence, but I really doubt it. Under supervision of a doctor, 39 hair specimens were removed, recorded and logged. Resides in Bethlehem, PA. Early in the investigation, the hairs found in the car were sent (in glass slides) to several laboratories including the FBIs. I dont think so. There is no justice for your loved ones when the wrong person is paying for the crime. As to her duration on death row, no: inference cannot be made as to her guilt as theres a woman with about the same time (Holberg) and another with almost as much. Prosecutors offered Patricia a plea deal that would take the death penalty off the table, but she declined. 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Court records show she is incarcerated in the Lehigh County Jail. Several years ago, Jost's teenage son, Steven, helped Rorrer in her part-time job as a child photographer. As for the words exchanged on the call between the two big-haired women, Joann told Andrew that Patricia had used profanity; Patricia said it was the other way around. Rorrer waived her extradition rights late Tuesday afternoon. Andrew Katrinak is never more than a foot away from his telephone. That documentary points out that, despite the bodies of the two victims supposedly being exposed for several months, their condition remained relatively undisturbed by weather or animal activity. I think shes guilty for sure. Theres speculation and theres lies period. Im quite happy to accept that ANYONE who makes a TV documentary makes it for money. Every type of cut, bruise etc would heal perfectly in that time. They were not reported until 5:30 the next morning and he had already spliced the phone lines together. 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If I see anything that offers a differing opinion or is inaccurate, I think its entirely fair I should say my piece. Arkansas (1) Colorado (4) Connecticut (1) Pennsylvania (2) Virginia (2) Refine Your Search Results. In a million years, she wouldnt do anything to harm that.. DNA testing revealed the blood came from either Joann or her son. For the past two years, Patricia Lynne Rorrer was a watched woman. I have not SEEN this report that says no root found is there a picture of it online somewhere? The Innocence Project has declined to take her case. I also communicated with Patricia via email to get her input on some matters. The author that wrote the book on the Rutier case donates all the funds from that book to freeing Darlie Routier because the jury wasnt shown a lot of evidence of the medical issues Darlie suffered. She was born on Jan. 24, 1964, in eastern Pennsylvania and moved back and forth between there and Davidson County, North Carolina. Join Facebook to connect with Andrew Katrinak and others you may know. Katrinak, Andrew J. Andrew Joseph Katrinak, 88, of Bethlehem, died on Wednesday, January 21, 2015 at Blough Healthcare Center in Bethlehem. You are absolutely right. Patricia Rorrer was a cold woman. On December 12, 1994, Joann answered a phone call from a woman shed never met, Patricia Rorrer, her husbands onetime girlfriend. . The article also notes that most inmates earn around 19 cent an hour at their jobs and must pay $5 each time they need medical attention or medicine. Media galore. They tested the hair last night on Reasonable Doubt using updated technology it is definitely Patricias. I just watched Reasonable Dont on this case. She would also have no heart when it comes to children, not even her own. It wasnt aimed at any one video producer. I thought the same. He helped her take horses to day care centers, where she would take photographs of children with the horses. As for him, yes, it looks like the first suspect, but if he had alibis, quite hard to accuse of actually doing it, and I understand it was a pretty solid one. Rorrers defenders remind me of a case in my home town There was a killer who confessed, was caught on video committing the murder and was seen committing the crime by an eye witness. Rorrer was sentenced to two life sentences at the women's state prison in Muncy, Pennsylvania. Patricia is a evil monster. Rorrer's ex-boyfriend, Andrew Katrinak, was the husband of Joann Katrinak and Alex's father. Just consider all your nasty posts about others opinions and learn to attack the argument, not the arguer with insults. Instead of presenting hard facts, all I see are words and phrases that are purely speculative.. such as perhaps. By continuing to use our site, you consent to the placement of cookies on your browser and agree to the terms of our Privacy Policy. If not, how could Andrew have obtained samples of Patricias hair if they apparently didnt meet up in person after Andrews marriage? Why not question some of this evidence? Detective Barry Grube found it odd that Andrew fixed the severed phone line before police examined it in essence tampering with evidence. How would an intruder find it? (Nope. The witness, Traupman, who on several occasions attempted to have his evidence recorded was severely manhandled out of the police station and so badly beaten, he had to be hospitalised. Personal details about Andrew include: political affiliation is unknown; ethnicity is Caucasian; and religious views are listed as unknown. As I stated previously, if she cannot speak for herself, Im happy to step up on her behalf. Name. They also think she killed her first hubby Larry Ford as well. But because there is no author of this page, I would like you to contact me on the Free Patricia Rorrer facebook page. She said that shes no fan of Forensic Files and that the show had many misrepresentations about her case and that shed heard ForensicFilesNow.com mixed up some facts as well. Patricia had a violent past and was absolutely positively the killer. Instead, she took the girl to Myers' stables just about every day. The evidence is overwhelming of her guilt. One lengthy sentence which goes on and on and concludes with one of my sentences from a previous comment! After all, justice has been served in the eyes of the law, so why go on demonising her? Your email address will not be published. Catherine Im in complete agreement with you! A lot of these documentaries feature most of the theories suggested by the cops and prosecution which were most damaging to her case, but not a single person to substantiate Rorrers side, or to challenge their versions. When police traveled to North Carolina to interview Patricia about the murders of Joann and Alex, she said that on the day of the homicides, she had visited a feed store, a tanning salon, and a country music club. On a secret recording, Patricia asked Jarrett to vouch for her attendance or she might go to the electric char. The news comes after a Romanian court rejected appeals from Mr Tates legal team against a 30-day extension in jail earlier this week. She only spoke on the phone with him a couple of times a year; when she called that last time, she didnt even know if Andys child was a boy or a girl, and the baby was almost 4 months old. which makes a complete nonsense of their gun theory. Incriminating words. The 36-year-old former kickboxer and his brother have been imprisoned in Romania since late December on suspected rape and human trafficking offences. Or the fact the one of those officers heard her make this statement at the time of her arrest and not the other. Your email address will not be published. The fact that there was a broken fingernail with skin attached to it found on her clothingand wasnt Patricias. He took two tests and there was deception detected in BOTH. After a very early failed marriage, the 24-year-old Joann scored a new husband in Andrew Katrinak, 38, whom she met at a club. At the trial, prosecutor Michael McIntyre alleged that Patricia remained obsessed with Andrew Katrinak long after their breakup despite testimony that shed had many boyfriends and live-in lovers to occupy her bandwidth. A few fries short of a Happy Meal, that one. ``She was real good with kids, good to mine at least,' Jost said. Ill always say that Tommy Lynn Sells murdered the Routier boys OR the father Darrin did it. This isn't Rorrer's first brush with the law. Someone had shot Joann in the face with a .22-caliber pistol, then beaten her about the head hitting her 19 times in all with a blunt object. Martin Domin Editor, Mirror Fighting. I have worked for Interpol for years as a gun analyst, usually women who commit such crimes against their exes wife or mistress, lover etc are pushed from behind by a man and promises and lies. I finally had to stop reading this stupid article. If I knew I was going to get caught, I never would have brought you into this world, the arresting officers testified they heard her say to Nicole. The only record of a call from Patricia to the Katrinak household was on 12/7/94. Yes, that doesnt mean shes unquestionably guilty, but it does mean her case has been relatively exhaustively examined (and its not over) and it means that your assertion that you are right and the guilty camp are wrong (and that this should be obvious) is absurdly overplayed. Exactly Just one example. (A good point. Patricia Rorrer is as guilty as sin, and she needs to stay right where shes at. The investigation is a bit out of place, but the DNA test can be altered only if its made just from a pen, because otherwise it is not possible, only if they said they did it and didnt actually do it, which would be quite difficult because it would mean complicity between many persons. DNA tests showed that strands of hair at the crime scene and in Joann Katrinak's car matched Rorrer's hair. Theyre more than happy to exaggerate and speculate the details of the crime, which serves to attract more viewers who (like you) seem to be happy to believe it all. The district attorney's office dismissed as offensiveNeely's implications on the evidence, according to the newspaper's report. A person tried in a court of law and then found guilty is not the be-all and end-all to the case. After a very early failed marriage, the 24-year-old Joann scored a new husband in Andrew Katrinak, 38, whom she met at a club. I dont understand Partricias defenders pointing to Andrew with the dyed blond hair found at the car and murder scene. From what Ive seen its pretty obvious Patricia did do that to this poor woman and the baby. However, Romanian officials have refused the request, saying he can be attended to in Romania. Does it actually have to be an obligatory duty for anyone to be present at a trial before they are able to have an opinion? They had a son, Alex Martin, in August of 1994. I find it weird that youre going to kill a woman just because she hung up on you and maybe tell you some shitty world because you call like an ex. He retired as a general foreman at Bethlehem Steel in 1981 after 30 years of employment. Andrew F Katrinak was born on month day 1882, at birth place. What evidence is there she actually left the state? The views expressed in the contents above are those of our users and do not necessarily reflect the views of MailOnline. Sometimes Teresa goes by various nicknames including Teresa Jean Katrinak, Teresa J Benchini, Teresa J Benckini and Teresa J Katrinak. Aside from the hair, there was almost zero forensic evidence. I saw lots of her defenders saying that he got the hairs from a hairbrush of hers that he had somehow saved, which I thought was absolutely ridiculous. She definitely did it. This FBI report, of the hairs being unable to yield a DNA result because of the absent root material, was never revealed to Rorrers defence. ``Some people just don't know how to let go,' Hege said. Tiffany, it is amazing you have all the answers to these murders! Joanns first husband, New Jersey construction worker Michael Jack, who had reportedly abused her during their marriage, also had a solid alibi. Phone records confirmed Patricia placed the earlier call from North Carolina, not Pennsylvania. Published: 20:58 EST, 3 March 2023 | Updated: 21:02 EST, 3 March 2023. Thats not proof theyre right but its more likely that you as one person are wrong. From my point of view this is an extremely similar case, with less class and style, and without the luxurious details that Interpols case had, such as the involvement of an extremely expensive Alfa Romeo car, and a revolver bought at a lush auction in Paris, which had belonged to a duke before the incident. Disclaimer: PeekYou is not a consumer reporting agency per the Fair Credit Reporting Act. And the fact that Patricia called Andrew even after he married someone else didnt mean she was still carrying a torch for him, according to one of her friends. Prosecution leader McIntyre, when interviewed, laughingly dismissed him as a nut in an effort to trivialise Traupmans input. The Free Patricia Rorrer page responds to comments from supporters (How is this even possible that this woman is still in jail?!? Women like Barbara Stager who killed her husband in Durham NC. This case is not over yet more to follow only trouble is, law moves along at a pitiful pace. Andrew J Katrinak, age 68, Drake, CO . Patricias professional life included short-lived gigs as a Century 21 real estate agent and an Oldsmobile salesperson. And then in their zealous efforts to show their ire, feel the need to suggest anyone who supports her is deluded. Watching Reasonable Doubt right now hope they also find that she did it. Great communicator. ``The lady had a lot of contacts around the country from her horse trading business, and she very well could have disappeared.'. Plus, two men, her babys father and his friend, testified they saw Patricia at the line-dancing club the night of the homicide. Why? Shes extremely, extremely happy with the baby. Police need evidence of perpetration in every claimed case, and Sells is regarded as lying about some claimed murders per inability or unwillingness to detail. And even prosecutor Michael McIntyre, who wrote the book Hair Trigger about the case, acknowledged to Keith Morrison that it was a little odd that the police found blood on the hairs in Joanns car but nowhere else in the vehicle. The Irish-Italian girl had full, fluffy dark hair, olive skin, and a pretty face. They were there in the winter months in which the bodies would have been frozen most of the time. He had an attractive new wife and beautiful baby boy. Traupman died in 2016. In addition to the Facebook page, there are Reddit threads on her case. Officers escort Andrew Tate, centre, and his brother Tristan Tate to the Court of Appeal in Bucharest. On Wednesday morning, sheriff's deputies escorted Rorrer to meet with Fritz. After a very early failed marriage, the 24-year-old Joann scored a new husband in Andrew Katrinak, 38, whom she met at a club. Bully for you if youve read a lot and seen a lot: its meaningless to other posters and adds nothing to your argument for innocence. Theres something very important to this case that needs to be mentioned more than anything else THE GUN. Have you read the book? Walmart woe. They noted houses near the murder scene would have heard a gunshot in December, when no farm equipment is making noise, and question why the murderer didnt just kill Joann inside her house instead of risking being seen in public in her car. Even if there were some minor flaws or discrepancies in the investigation, thats normal. I would suggest you take the time to read the book or, at least watch the documentaries which STICK TO THE FACTS, and then comment. The state made a case fueled by circumstantial evidence and public outrage over the deaths of a modern-day madonna and child. Andrew described his existence with Joanne and Alex as a little Camelot., Ex-spouse off list. Patricias defenders also say Andrew Katrinak staged the scene at his house by prying the door and cutting the phone line. And while youre on that list, you can be happy in the knowledge youre not in rarefied company. They allege that the North Carolina resident stealthily drove 500 miles to Pennsylvania and killed out of a sense of deadly indignation. Although I would have liked it to be death! The feminist in me is, like, hell yeah!: Will men take the male contraceptive pill? A person tried in a court of law and then found guilty is not the be-all and end-all to the case. Thank you Kerry. I wonder, did they ever perform a DNA test on the baby, to verify paternity? The difference was made by the investigation, Interpol has some good detectives who do not play with peoples freedom and who do not use American techniques such as pictures, lets compare hair color after pictures bullshit, not even with the performance of todays cameras such a thing is not allowed, the issue of dismantling the alibi only with indirect evidence, like that her name was not in the notebook, a European court would withdrew it immediately, you cant go with a thing like this, its called inconclusive proof, even the fact that one of the witnesses said that the business was not opened where she said it was that day, its inconclusive, the accused can say that he/she forgot, was there and left, and his alibi I dont know how it was verified, but what should been verified first were the contacts between him and her, if he contacted her before that, if she had been contacted from public phone for example before the murder, how many times, when etc, if he was near the places where she was until the murder, things like that. To do this we will link your MailOnline account with your Facebook account. THESE COPS ARE WRONG AND THEY ALL SHOULD BE IN JAIL FOR WHAT THEY DID TO PATRICA, PUTTING HER AWAY FOR LIFE FOR SOMETHING SHE DID NOT DO. The evidence was all there. Of course, if he had info that only the perp would know Admission has long since been disregarded without corroborative evidence. Which, for this very reason, is at present being investigated by a federal judge? It fails to mention the car was totally clean of any other forensic residue. If the answer is no, enough said! Username. But I suppose you havent a clue about that. Patty was soooo obsessed with Andy that she moved away to North Carolina some 5 years before this happened, right?